Punk Rock Is Dead.
Sean: So, yeah; Gene Simmons really gave it to Billy Joe. He said (affecting a Gene Simmons-esque voice): "You are a pop band, Billy Joe...."
Redpanda: Whatever. Like what Gene Simmons says means anything.
Sean: GENE SIMMONS! Of KISS!!!
Redpanda: Please. Kiss is a mediocre band at best. A bunch of guys who have to use makeup to distract us from the mediocrity of their music.
Sean: Well, yeah, I'm not saying that their music wasn't mediocre. But they were responsible for the entire glam movement of the 70's...they were the start of a movement.
Redpanda: Like Green Day wasn't responsible for the starting of a movement? How many bands ripped off their sound?
Sean: That doesn't make them punk! Punk is the Ramones! Punk is the Sex Pistols!
Redpanda: Yeah, Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, fine. The Ramones?!? No way. They may say that they're punk, but I disagree. They're hard rock at best.
Sean: THE RAMONES?!? THE RAMONES ARE A PUNK BAND!!!
Redpanda: Nope. I say they're hard rock. Besides, Green Day is an example of the evolution of a style of music. They may not be "old school" punk, but they are an example of how music evolves. Think of rap and R & B that's out now? It sounds nothing like the old-school stuff of the 80's. It all eventually evolves to become more appealing to the masses.
Sean: THE RAMONES ARE PUNK!!!
Redpanda (annoyed): So how come you can decide that the Ramones are punk, and that's gospel, but I or Billy Joe can't decide that Green Day is punk as well?
Sean (thoughtfully): Well, I think that the thing you're not considering is that you are WRONG.